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brokenbatfan

Posts: 2,691
Registered: 11/6/03
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 25, 2006 9:20 PM

where did Kevin Smith turn connor hawk into a sorta catholic? I mean we're talking about Ollie's son right?

I remember that issue pretty well where he said clearly he was buddhist but he was celebrating christmas with ollie and dinah just because it was for the sake of family (or something to that effect).

Or did I get the names mixed up?

deepgreen

Posts: 253
Registered: 7/17/03
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 25, 2006 10:18 PM

I clearly remember there being crosses and catholic imagery at the monestary. It was never explicitely mentioned, though.

regularguy

Posts: 6,806
Registered: 12/19/03
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 25, 2006 10:26 PM

Speaking of which, former JLAer Mark Antaeus was probably Catholic; his mother kept a cross on the wall, fingered prayer beads when she was nervous, described the family as not being Jewish, and otherwise made me wonder, "Why the heck did this guy choose to dress up like a Roman soldier?"

brokenbatfan

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Registered: 11/6/03
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 25, 2006 11:24 PM

Rome adopted christianity before its fall.

deepgreen

Posts: 253
Registered: 7/17/03
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 26, 2006 1:10 PM

That's true. Christianity and despotism don't get along too well.

jimjacksonjim

Posts: 1,221
Registered: 6/2/05
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 26, 2006 2:13 PM

> That's true. Christianity and despotism don't get
> along too well.


[rolleyes]

geofffl

Posts: 196
Registered: 4/7/06
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 26, 2006 2:21 PM

i would really like to see some writers with courage to take on this topic more i see a intolerance of people of all faiths in comics in the last many years and i think they are ignoring a group of possible new readers by doing this some religious comics sell well
archangels
left behind comics did well
other things killed these books not sales

deepgreen

Posts: 253
Registered: 7/17/03
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 26, 2006 8:37 PM

> > That's true. Christianity and despotism don't get
> > along too well.
>
>
> [rolleyes]

Trying to say something there, or did you just have something in your eye? [winky]

brokenbatfan

Posts: 2,691
Registered: 11/6/03
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 26, 2006 10:01 PM

As for that comment about christianity and despotism -- yeah, it was the fall of the roman empire and the total control of the RCC over europe that sent europe into the dark ages well into the 13th century. at least 700 years of ignorance. I perfer Roman Empire over 700 years of ignorance tyvm.


Back on the subject.

Detective Turpin at least on JLU was Jewish. He has a jewish memorial after he is killed :(

deepgreen

Posts: 253
Registered: 7/17/03
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 26, 2006 10:58 PM

<<<<As for that comment about christianity and despotism -- yeah, it was the fall of the roman empire and the total control of the RCC over europe that sent europe into the dark ages well into the 13th century. at least 700 years of ignorance. I perfer Roman Empire over 700 years of ignorance tyvm.>>>>

I know it's the party line to equate Christianity with the "dark ages", but in fact it was the Church and her monks who kept learning alive after the fall of Empire. The dissolution of the Empire from within due to a number of factors, the encroachment of Barbarians and Muslims from without, and plagues created the so called "dark ages" ( which, BTW,is a term credible historians have essentially eliminated from their vocabulary).

It was also Christianity which created the atmosphere where modern science and political thought ultimately developed and thrived, developing in the west while the rest of the world stayed still or reverted.

I'll recommend two books for anyone really interested in this: "How the Irish Saved Civilization" and "Christianity on Trial". Both are easy reads and very accessible. Also, "The Oxford History of Christianity" is a good source, though quite a bit longer. If you get really ambitious, "The Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire" is surprisingly entertaining and fun to read.

Twentieth century dicatators and would be tyrants like Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Osama, et al have always tried to snuff out Christianity because they know it's incompatible with their own imperial designs. John Paul II is credited by most historians as the single most important individual contributing to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Tinpot dicatators in developing nations always seem to recognize this inherent incompatibility between Christianity and despotism.

The truth of my original statement is pretty self evident.

icyhugs

Posts: 1,612
From: Hong Kong
Registered: 6/12/03
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 27, 2006 12:45 AM

Clark celebrates CHristmas does not mean he is Catholic or Christian. Everyone in HK celebrates X'mas since it has been totally commercialized =P

freivolk

Posts: 44
Registered: 8/2/05
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 27, 2006 1:17 AM

> Clark celebrates CHristmas does not mean he is
> Catholic or Christian. Everyone in HK celebrates
> X'mas since it has been totally commercialized =P


Oh come on, Clark landed in Kansas and was found by a farmer couple. Did you really think, he was found by the only atheist farmer couple in Kansas.

regularguy

Posts: 6,806
Registered: 12/19/03
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 27, 2006 4:26 AM

Oh come on, Clark landed in Kansas and was found by a farmer couple. Did you really think, he was found by the only atheist farmer couple in Kansas.

Heh. IIRC, in "Superman: The Odyssey", there's a throwaway line about how John Kent never had any use for religion but Martha would always drag him along to attend services anyway.

commish

Posts: 42
Registered: 12/17/04
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 27, 2006 4:41 AM

I've had this discussion before. Someone said that Batman was a lapsed Catholic? Possible but not likely. There was a mini series in the '90s where Bruce went back to his ancestoral roots of Scotland. The vast majority of Scots are protestant.

I also would assume that Superman is protestant as well. Most Kansas folk are. The name Kent though is one of those tricky surnames that is both British and Irish, so there is a slight chance he could be Catholic.

In an early issue of Nightwing a bible was shown in Dick's apartment.

cjdull

Posts: 2,662
Registered: 5/14/03
Re: Religion in comic books
Posted: Apr 27, 2006 5:00 AM

> I've had this discussion before. Someone said that
> Batman was a lapsed Catholic? Possible but not
> likely. There was a mini series in the '90s where
> Bruce went back to his ancestoral roots of Scotland.
> The vast majority of Scots are protestant.

It's not uncommon, in the span of 200 years, for the descendents of immigrants to be of a different faith then their forefathers. Don't see why it couldn't have happened with the Waynes.

Josh


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